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mikester
November 17, 2006, @ 05:45 PM
Philanthropy Expert: Conservatives Are More Generous
By Frank Brieaddy
Religion News Service

SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- Syracuse University professor Arthur C. Brooks is about to become the darling of the religious right in America -- and it's making him nervous.

The child of academics, raised in a liberal household and educated in the liberal arts, Brooks has written a book that concludes religious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income.

In the book, he cites extensive data analysis to demonstrate that values advocated by conservatives -- from church attendance and two-parent families to the Protestant work ethic and a distaste for government-funded social services -- make conservatives more generous than liberals.

The book, titled "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism" (Basic Books, $26), is due for release Nov. 24.

When it comes to helping the needy, Brooks writes: "For too long, liberals have been claiming they are the most virtuous members of American society. Although they usually give less to charity, they have nevertheless lambasted conservatives for their callousness in the face of social injustice."

For the record, Brooks, 42, has been registered in the past as a Democrat, then a Republican, but now lists himself as independent, explaining, "I have no comfortable political home."

Since 2003 he has been director of nonprofit studies for Syracuse University's Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs.

Outside professional circles, he's best known for his regular op-ed columns in The Wall Street Journal (13 over the past 18 months) on topics that stray a bit from his philanthropy expertise.

One noted that people who drink alcohol moderately are more successful and charitable than those who don't (like him). Another observed that liberals are having fewer babies than conservatives, which will reduce liberals' impact on politics over time because children generally mimic their parents.

Brooks is a behavioral economist by training who researches the relationship between what people do -- aside from their paid work -- why they do it, and its economic impact.

He's a number cruncher who relied primarily on 10 databases assembled over the past decade, mostly from scientific surveys. The data are adjusted for variables such as age, gender, race and income to draw fine-point conclusions.

His Wall Street Journal pieces are researched, but a little light.

His book, he says, is carefully documented to withstand the scrutiny of other academics, which he said he encourages.

The book's basic findings are that conservatives who practice religion, live in traditional nuclear families and reject the notion that the government should engage in income redistribution are the most generous Americans, by any measure.

Conversely, secular liberals who believe fervently in government entitlement programs give far less to charity. They want everyone's tax dollars to support charitable causes and are reluctant to write checks to those causes, even when governments don't provide them with enough money.

Such an attitude, he writes, not only shortchanges the nonprofits but also diminishes the positive fallout of giving, including personal health, wealth and happiness for the donor and overall economic growth.
All of this, he said, he backs up with statistical analysis.

"These are not the sort of conclusions I ever thought I would reach when I started looking at charitable giving in graduate school, 10 years ago," he writes in the introduction. "I have to admit I probably would have hated what I have to say in this book."

Still, he says it forcefully, pointing out that liberals give less than conservatives in every way imaginable, including volunteer hours and donated blood.

In an interview, Brooks said he recognizes the need for government entitlement programs, such as welfare. But in the book he finds fault with all sorts of government social spending, including entitlements.

Repeatedly he cites and disputes a line from a Ralph Nader speech to the NAACP in 2000: "A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity."

Harvey Mansfield, professor of government at Harvard University and 2004 recipient of the National Humanities Medal, does not know Brooks personally but has read the book.

"His main finding is quite startling, that the people who talk the most about caring actually fork over the least," he said. "But beyond this finding I thought his analysis was extremely good, especially for an economist. He thinks very well about the reason for this and reflects about politics and morals in a way most economists do their best to avoid."

Brooks says he started the book as an academic treatise, then tightened the documentation and punched up the prose when his colleagues and editor convinced him it would sell better and generate more discussion if he did.

To make his point forcefully, Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information.

"I know I'm going to get yelled at a lot with this book," he said. "But when you say something big and new, you're going to get yelled at."

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html

mikester
November 17, 2006, @ 05:46 PM
Cliff notes - liberals are only generous with other people's money. :rolleyes:

Pull_T
November 17, 2006, @ 06:11 PM
I'm a liberal and none of my charitable giving is documented...i.e I don't tithe to a church that records giving nor do I deduct them on my tax returns.

Maybe conservatives simply are more eager to take credit for their givings and take advantage of entitlements from the giving via the tax code.

jinny
November 17, 2006, @ 07:33 PM
Cliff notes - liberals are only generous with other people's money. :rolleyes:

the cliff notes I don't agree with...

I'm guessing that there is a certain amount of kidding involved, but your statement assumes that if you are not a religious conservative, that you are a liberal... but I'm pretty sure that is not the case... how about religious liberals? or secular conservatives? and the later part of the statement is unsubstantiated... at least in terms of the the article. The "only" in your statement suggests that liberals are not generous with their own money... but, going only by the article and the assumption that all non religious conservatives are liberals, I would be more inclined to believe that "liberals are LESS generous with their own money."


but, I agree with the general premise of the article...

religious groups in general are often pressured to "give"... my mom's church suggests 20% of a person's income is not an unusual number... of course the church wants that money to go thru their organization first... 'cause they know best at where the money should go. that could be both good or bad.

Thunder Dump
November 18, 2006, @ 12:28 AM
religious groups in general are often pressured to "give"... my mom's church suggests 20% of a person's income is not an unusual number... of course the church wants that money to go thru their organization first... 'cause they know best at where the money should go. that could be both good or bad.

Scamming the elderly > *

Killer
November 18, 2006, @ 08:50 AM
here we are mixing religion into politics. Not good...anyway you slice it.

Adam_Schwartz
November 20, 2006, @ 03:06 PM
Bill has spoken - can someone please close this thread?

Killer
November 20, 2006, @ 05:21 PM
Bill has spoken - can someone please close this thread?werd nukka.:mhihi:

Adam_Schwartz
November 20, 2006, @ 06:43 PM
So is your daughter coming home for Thanksgiving? or is she still angry at you for being a concerned father?

Killer
November 20, 2006, @ 07:57 PM
So is your daughter coming home for Thanksgiving? or is she still angry at you for being a concerned father?Nope..I am on the shit list. I will be lucky if she even calls. It sucks, but I have to stick to my guns on this.

dkrift
November 20, 2006, @ 09:59 PM
Nope..I am on the shit list. I will be lucky if she even calls. It sucks, but I have to stick to my guns on this.

It's not like she posed for playboy or something. Forgive the kid, papa killer.

Adam_Schwartz
November 21, 2006, @ 12:09 AM
There is nothing for him to forgive, he merely said he would not pay for her school unless she performed at a minimum level. If anything, she needs to apologize to him for wasting his money. But this is based only on info he has shared with us, so who knows.

dkrift
November 21, 2006, @ 12:35 AM
There is nothing for him to forgive, he merely said he would not pay for her school unless she performed at a minimum level. If anything, she needs to apologize to him for wasting his money. But this is based only on info he has shared with us, so who knows.

Ah, then she needs to be spanked.

Killer
November 21, 2006, @ 09:11 AM
There is nothing for him to forgive, he merely said he would not pay for her school unless she performed at a minimum level. If anything, she needs to apologize to him for wasting his money. But this is based only on info he has shared with us, so who knows.That pretty much covers it.

Brian
November 21, 2006, @ 09:15 AM
my church used to say 10%.... I guess it was the Wallmart of Churches... for some reason I considered this doctrine... is that substantiated by any scripture?

Brian
November 21, 2006, @ 09:23 AM
:meh: looked it up on my own:

Matthew 6
Giving to the Needy
1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

1 Corinthians 16:2
2On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

2 Corinthians 8:11
11Now finish the work, so that your eager willingness to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means.


2 Corinthians 8:12
12For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have.

2 Corinthians 8:14
14At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be equality,

2 Corinthians 9:6
Sowing Generously
6Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

2 Corinthians 9:7
7Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Killer
November 21, 2006, @ 09:39 AM
no offence brian but what a bunch of :bs:

Brian
November 21, 2006, @ 10:03 AM
yeah... charitable giving is for losers.

Pull_T
November 21, 2006, @ 10:15 AM
2 Corinthians 17:7

7 Tithe unto the church between 9-10% of your AGI 8(adding back any alimony payments made) 9 And take that amount as a deduction below the line 10 in the current tax year

Killer
November 21, 2006, @ 10:19 AM
yeah... charitable giving is for losers.I didn't say that...I said that crap from the bible is :bs:

Brian
November 21, 2006, @ 10:33 AM
your lack of respect is disheartening.

RLG
November 21, 2006, @ 10:37 AM
although I completey disagree with the first one because of it's modern day inaccuracy...I don't see what is :bs: about guidelines for living well/being a good person. Those types of quotations don't have to apply to giving to the church/religious organization.

Wraab Wall
November 21, 2006, @ 10:53 AM
I didn't say that...I said that crap from the bible is :bs:

:uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh:

Adam_Schwartz
November 21, 2006, @ 12:07 PM
Yeah, it's not like almost all the laws of society come from Judeo Christian teachings or anything. Such a load of garbage. Thou shalt not kill...what idiot came up with that?

Killer
November 21, 2006, @ 12:49 PM
Yeah, it's not like almost all the laws of society come from Judeo Christian teachings or anything. Such a load of garbage. Thou shalt not kill...what idiot came up with that?


Religions were put in place before modern governments and laws were put in place. Hence the "fear of god" thing. :co:

Killer
November 21, 2006, @ 12:50 PM
:uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh: :uhh:dont worry...i wont hurt you. :hug:

Throtex
November 21, 2006, @ 12:57 PM
Religions were put in place before modern governments and laws were put in place. Hence the "fear of god" thing. :co:

That doesn't make their basic teachings 'crap'. :dunno:

Killer
November 21, 2006, @ 12:58 PM
That doesn't make their basic teachings 'crap'. :dunno:

I was speaking of those quotes posted. They are crap.