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Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:20 PM
Less ACLU and Gay Marriage.....more fucking :boink: :thumbsup:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008831

The midterm election looms, and once again efforts begin afresh to increase voter participation. It has become standard wisdom in American politics that voter turnout is synonymous with good citizenship, justifying just about any scheme to get people to the polls. Arizona is even considering a voter lottery, in which all voters are automatically registered for a $1 million giveaway. Polling places and liquor stores in Arizona will now have something in common.

On the political left, raising the youth vote is one of the most common goals. This implicitly plays to the tired old axiom that a person under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart (whereas one who is still a liberal after 30 has no head). The trouble is, while most "get out the vote" campaigns targeting young people are proxies for the Democratic Party, these efforts haven't apparently done much to win elections for the Democrats. The explanation we often hear from the left is that the new young Democrats are more than counterbalanced by voters scared up by the Republicans on "cultural issues" like abortion, gun rights and gay marriage.

But the data on young Americans tell a different story. Simply put, liberals have a big baby problem: They're not having enough of them, they haven't for a long time, and their pool of potential new voters is suffering as a result. According to the 2004 General Social Survey, if you picked 100 unrelated politically liberal adults at random, you would find that they had, between them, 147 children. If you picked 100 conservatives, you would find 208 kids. That's a "fertility gap" of 41%. Given that about 80% of people with an identifiable party preference grow up to vote the same way as their parents, this gap translates into lots more little Republicans than little Democrats to vote in future elections. Over the past 30 years this gap has not been below 20%--explaining, to a large extent, the current ineffectiveness of liberal youth voter campaigns today.





Alarmingly for the Democrats, the gap is widening at a bit more than half a percentage point per year, meaning that today's problem is nothing compared to what the future will most likely hold. Consider future presidential elections in a swing state (like Ohio), and assume that the current patterns in fertility continue. A state that was split 50-50 between left and right in 2004 will tilt right by 2012, 54% to 46%. By 2020, it will be certifiably right-wing, 59% to 41%. A state that is currently 55-45 in favor of liberals (like California) will be 54-46 in favor of conservatives by 2020--and all for no other reason than babies.
The fertility gap doesn't budge when we correct for factors like age, income, education, sex, race--or even religion. Indeed, if a conservative and a liberal are identical in all these ways, the liberal will still be 19 percentage points more likely to be childless than the conservative. Some believe the gap reflects an authentic cultural difference between left and right in America today. As one liberal columnist in a major paper graphically put it, "Maybe the scales are tipping to the neoconservative, homogenous right in our culture simply because they tend not to give much of a damn for the ramifications of wanton breeding and environmental destruction and pious sanctimony, whereas those on the left actually seem to give a whit for the health of the planet and the dire effects of overpopulation." It would appear liberals have been quite successful controlling overpopulation--in the Democratic Party.

Of course, politics depends on a lot more than underlying ideology. People vote for politicians, not parties. Lots of people are neither liberal nor conservative, but rather vote on the basis of personalities and specific issues. But all things considered, if the Democrats continue to appeal to liberals and the Republicans to conservatives, getting out the youth vote may be increasingly an exercise in futility for the American left.

Democratic politicians may have no more babies left to kiss.

Throtex
August 22, 2006, @ 02:24 PM
Oh yea ... it's not that no one wants to vote for them, it's that ... no one wants to vote for them.

Killer
August 22, 2006, @ 02:27 PM
Hitlery 08!

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:29 PM
You know Republicans have this shit all wrong. They should be encouraging gay marriage to further drive down the birthrates.

Adam_Schwartz
August 22, 2006, @ 02:30 PM
As much as the Republicans have done wrong, the Dems have not really offered up any new solutions, just criticism and complaints.

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:32 PM
As much as the Republicans have done wrong, the Dems have not really offered up any new solutions, just criticism and complaints.

I couldn't agree more, could the current administration get any worse? Yet the Dem's still can't come up with anything better, the elections coming up are the Dem's to lose.

btsilver
August 22, 2006, @ 02:32 PM
I'd vote dem, if they'd let me vote....

Always Dirty
August 22, 2006, @ 02:32 PM
They're generally viewed as being way too fucking far left, whether it's the reality or not.

dkrift
August 22, 2006, @ 02:33 PM
As much as the Republicans have done wrong, the Dems have not really offered up any new solutions, just criticism and complaints.

Nice avatar of Dr. Douchbag. :mhihi:

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:33 PM
It's like calling that boy across the street a retard and then losing to him in the spelling bee.

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:34 PM
Nice avatar of Dr. Douchbag. :mhihi:

Pot, Kettle, Motherfucking Snakes on a Plane

mikester
August 22, 2006, @ 02:34 PM
You know Republicans have this shit all wrong. They should be encouraging gay marriage to further drive down the birthrates.

:werd:

I made a post about this a couple of years ago over at AW. In fact, I would even be willing to change my stand on abortion.

Abortions for all (liberals)! :woot:

Peacefrog
August 22, 2006, @ 02:34 PM
I'd vote dem, if they'd let me vote....

Then Al Sharpton would finally get a vote.

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:35 PM
:werd:

I made a post about this a couple of years ago over at AW. In fact, I would even be willing to change my stand on abortion.

Abortions for all (liberals)! :woot:

Abortion for some, little American flags for others~!

dkrift
August 22, 2006, @ 02:35 PM
Fixed it for ya.

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:36 PM
:werd:

I made a post about this a couple of years ago over at AW. In fact, I would even be willing to change my stand on abortion.

Abortions for all (liberals)! :woot:

Careful now, you don't wanna drive crime rates down too. :bet:

:uhh:

Rabid Ocelot
August 22, 2006, @ 02:36 PM
The terrorists win if we vote democrat

dkrift
August 22, 2006, @ 02:36 PM
Pot, Kettle, Motherfucking Snakes on a Plane

Too much caffeine today? :dunno:

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:37 PM
The terrorists win if we vote democratThat's what I've been told.

mikester
August 22, 2006, @ 02:37 PM
Careful now, you don't wanna drive crime rates down too. :bet:

:uhh:

Abortions for blacks should be legal anytime before viability, i.e. when they get out of prison.

Killer
August 22, 2006, @ 02:38 PM
As much as the Republicans have done wrong, the Dems have not really offered up any new solutions, just criticism and complaints.

and the occasianal "I told ya so" from me.:lol:

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:39 PM
Abortions for blacks should be legal anytime before viability, i.e. when they get out of prison.

The mothers or the fathers? Cause let's be real, the dad's ain't getting out.

{drug law reform}

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:39 PM
and the occasianal "I told ya so" from me.:lol:

:hug: :snicker:

RLG
August 22, 2006, @ 02:39 PM
I am not registered to vote at the present time. My vote doesn't count anyway since I always vote Libertarian.

Always Dirty
August 22, 2006, @ 02:40 PM
I always vote muppet. Always.

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:40 PM
I am not registered to vote at the present time. My vote doesn't count anyway since I am a woman.

*Fixed circa 1911

Peacefrog
August 22, 2006, @ 02:41 PM
Abortions for blacks should be legal anytime before viability, i.e. when they get out of prison.

when black kids are born are they already on parole :dunno:

40yov

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:42 PM
when black kids are born are they already on parole :dunno:

40yov


No, but im pretty sure they come out of the womb with a strike already.

Peacefrog
August 22, 2006, @ 02:42 PM
I always vote muppet. Always.

I never liked Beeker's stance on perscription drugs.

RLG
August 22, 2006, @ 02:42 PM
*Fixed circa 1911

Awww :hug:

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 02:43 PM
I never liked Beeker's stance on perscription drugs.

:werd: And those flaming fags Bert and Ernie

Killer
August 22, 2006, @ 02:43 PM
:werd: And those flaming fags Bert and Ernie

They want to get married I hear.:uhh:

Brian
August 22, 2006, @ 02:44 PM
you people are boring the shit out of me.

Killer
August 22, 2006, @ 02:44 PM
Oh..and FWIW: Iraq was and is a waste. :canoworms:

Always Dirty
August 22, 2006, @ 02:46 PM
I never liked Beeker's stance on perscription drugs.


:rofl2: :werd: Nothing worse than a proverbial ex-smoker.

The Count's fiscal policies are viewed pretty favorably on The Street.

Throtex
August 22, 2006, @ 02:46 PM
I am not registered to vote at the present time. My vote doesn't count anyway since I always vote Libertarian.

I'd vote libertarian if any of the people running under the party banner were sensible libertarians rather than freaky hippies.

Adam_Schwartz
August 22, 2006, @ 02:47 PM
I am not registered to vote at the present time. My vote doesn't count anyway since I always vote Libertarian.

But it does take away from the Reps and Dems, so it's important to someone

Peacefrog
August 22, 2006, @ 02:48 PM
Iraq was and is a waste.

Wow....that’s prophetic did you come to that conclusion on your own?

Here's one from me.

FWIW....boobs are good.

RLG
August 22, 2006, @ 02:49 PM
But it does take away from the Reps and Dems, so it's important to someone

I don't know who, I haven't felt compelled to vote for any Republican or Democratic candidate as an alternative.

RLG
August 22, 2006, @ 02:50 PM
I'd vote libertarian if any of the people running under the party banner were sensible libertarians rather than freaky hippies.

Yeah, a lot of them are pretty ridiculous. I mostly just vote for them because I am not a fan of the existing 2 party system and I think it would be awesome for another party to get the required 5% in order to receive any amount of substantial funding.

btsilver
August 22, 2006, @ 02:51 PM
Oh..and FWIW: Iraq was and is a waste. :canoworms:

and?


















:mhihi:

kurt_bradley
August 22, 2006, @ 02:51 PM
The Count's fiscal policies are viewed pretty favorably on The Street.

Sometimes, the Count is a bit bearish for me.

Adam_Schwartz
August 22, 2006, @ 02:58 PM
I don't know who, I haven't felt compelled to vote for any Republican or Democratic candidate as an alternative.

To be honest with you, I don't think it matters right now.

Adam_Schwartz
August 22, 2006, @ 03:01 PM
Oh..and FWIW: Iraq was and is a waste. :canoworms:

To be quite honest with you, the US did not utilize its military power properly. If a nation is going to invade another nation, it had damn well better be prepared to drop some bombs and fuck shit up. Ground warfare is not an efficient way to conduct any war.

On another note, it shows why Bush 41 was smart in leaving a weakened Saddam in power rather than taking him out. At least Saddam was able to keep the yahoos in check, but we still had tabs on him.

Robb
August 22, 2006, @ 03:02 PM
I'm moving to Australia with 1/2 :woot:

Brian
August 22, 2006, @ 03:05 PM
aaron, could you please be honest with us?

RLG
August 22, 2006, @ 03:05 PM
aaron, could you please be honest with us?

Haha I was thinking the same thing

Brian
August 22, 2006, @ 03:06 PM
when someone says that, they're lieing.

Robb
August 22, 2006, @ 03:11 PM
Brain, quite honestly I really like you. And I honestly do not think you are a phag.

Always Dirty
August 22, 2006, @ 03:11 PM
Like him like him?

Killer
August 22, 2006, @ 03:15 PM
Wow....that’s prophetic did you come to that conclusion on your own?

Here's one from me.

FWIW....boobs are good.


Blow me you miniscule man. You dont know me or my political history..untill you do just shut the fuck up.:mhihi:

Killer
August 22, 2006, @ 03:16 PM
To be quite honest with you, the US did not utilize its military power properly. If a nation is going to invade another nation, it had damn well better be prepared to drop some bombs and fuck shit up. Ground warfare is not an efficient way to conduct any war.

On another note, it shows why Bush 41 was smart in leaving a weakened Saddam in power rather than taking him out. At least Saddam was able to keep the yahoos in check, but we still had tabs on him.

:werd:

Adam_Schwartz
August 22, 2006, @ 04:13 PM
aaron, could you please be honest with us?

To be honest with you, I think you are a good looking heterosexual.

Adam_Schwartz
August 22, 2006, @ 04:13 PM
Or what Robb said....

Peacefrog
August 22, 2006, @ 04:22 PM
You dont know me or my political history

I got a pretty good idea. :snicker:

mikester
August 22, 2006, @ 04:24 PM
I got a pretty good idea. :snicker:

:mhihi:

Bill's a paradox wrapped in a riddle cloaked in mystery.

Thunder Dump
August 22, 2006, @ 04:26 PM
:mhihi:

Bill's a paradox wrapped in a riddle cloaked in mystery.

Isn't the word 'enigma' supposed to be in there somewhere?

Throtex
August 22, 2006, @ 04:27 PM
Isn't the word 'enigma' supposed to be in there somewhere?


The doctor gave me an enigma before my examination.

Peacefrog
August 22, 2006, @ 04:27 PM
:mhihi:

Bill's a pair a dockers wrapped in a box of fiddle faddle cloaked in mystery she wrote.

Fixed.

Rye
August 22, 2006, @ 04:28 PM
:mhihi:

Bill's a paradox wrapped in a riddle cloaked in mystery.


That sounds like a new hostess product :yum:

mikester
August 22, 2006, @ 04:29 PM
That sounds like a new hostess product :yum:

Now with 50% more enigma. :yum:

Killer
August 23, 2006, @ 10:40 AM
:mhihi:

Bill's a paradox wrapped in a riddle cloaked in mystery.

I'm a Liberal NeoCon:fruit:

mikester
August 23, 2006, @ 10:44 AM
Libecon

mikester
August 23, 2006, @ 10:44 AM
Neolib

Throtex
August 23, 2006, @ 10:44 AM
Lieberman? :idea:

Killer
August 23, 2006, @ 10:45 AM
lol...or something like that. :lol:

Killer
August 23, 2006, @ 10:45 AM
Lieberman? :idea:dirty Jewocrat.:mhihi:

Rye
October 05, 2006, @ 04:11 PM
Motherfucking bump for this beaut.

Adam_Schwartz
October 05, 2006, @ 05:29 PM
dirty Jewocrat.:mhihi:

Not anymore, he is too patriotic for their party.